Speaking to her panel in July about the Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker book, I Alone Can Fix It, MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace asked if Pence feared a conspiracy. Political experts have wondered if the reason was that Pence was scared the Secret Service was actually in on the attempt to stop the election certification. The Secret Service wanted the extra layer of protection from the armored vehicle, even though it was stashed in a secure location. Once they were in the basement, Pence corroborated the previous statements that he refused to get in the car.
This was prior to the Secret Service evacuating him to the loading dock. Pence recalled sticking his finger in the chest of his Secret Service chief, Tim Gables, and said he wouldn't leave. He was also asked about one of the biggest details revealed by Pence's team, that he refused to get into the Secret Service vehicle while they were holding at the loading dock. "I felt no fear - I was filled with indignation," said Pence.
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